Thoughts On Homemade Dog Food-A post you do not want to miss!!!!And Yes, I am an idiot!!

A couple of days ago I wandered into a blog talking about homemade dog food.

I scanned through half interested thinking that here was someone else feeding their poor dogs the same junk many of us feed ourselves.

IE: fast foods, foods slathered in butter and grease, foods that have the absolute life ‘fried’ right out of them.

Being the know-it-all that I am ….(and I am a ‘bad’ one…ask my fiance!!) I decided to leave a scathing comment as I peered down my nose at this woman’s silly little post.

Fortunately (and much to my embarrassment) I had to go back and actually ‘read’ this post in it’s entirety, as not to contradict myself or look stupid in my remarks. ( I am refraining at this point from saying ‘how’ stupid I looked)

Big fat ‘whoops’ on my part if I had bothered to read closer the first time, I would have seen that what she was saying actually made perfect sense.

I changed my comment to one of agreement and admitted my ‘almost mistake’ and forewarned her to take heed of others like myself, those guilty of reading posts merely halfway.

I did not receive a response for a few days…I pretty much figured I had irritated her. (I have an uncanny habit of doing that) But lo and behold I returned yesterday and boy did I get taken down a notch or two or three…lol

I am posting her reply which is actually an entirely new post to address some questions that had been brought up in comments from her original post (sheepish grin .. 🙂 insert here)

This is an extremely informative and well thought out post, one of the best I have yet to read. Her homework has been done and she knows her stuff get ready for a ‘great’ read….

Thanks again Michelle (she has 2 ‘L’s….do not confuse us) and please accept my humblest apologies. (HEY….I am trying to be humble..that counts, right?!!

More Thoughts on Homemade Dog Food…

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Clasidog raised some good points about dog feeding that I’d like to address further with a new post.

First, I think it’s important to acknowledge that nobody really knows what to feed dogs. We lack scientific data and studies to guide us. Even some of AAFCO’s guidelines are based on dubious research, such as studies on hogs and mice, conjectured to the needs of the domestic dog and cat. And, many of AAFCO’s studies are based more on what’s required for the bare minimum of survival, not necessarily what’s optimal for ideal health. Most of their studies are also very short-term, just a few weeks or months, there is not much good evidence available on long-term health affects of any particular dog diet. And this is where nutrition’s affects are most important: we may feel OK eating fast food burgers for a few days, but if we eat them daily for a lifetime, we know we’re headed for trouble!

Not to mention, I think we can conclude that what’s good for one individual may not be good for the next. Even if we did have plentiful research, it would still be impossible to quantify the optimal “complete and balanced” diet for an entire population-just look at the diversity of opinions on human diets! So, it is my feeling that we are all left wondering how to best nourish dogs in general, and our own unique dogs. Thus we must develop our own conclusions and assumptions, and this is very subjective indeed!

Here are some of the conclusions that I have come to, personally. First, I have come to believe that dogs are not very much like their wolf ancestors at all, but instead are a species that is specifically evolved and adapted to scavenge off of human society’s waste. A variety of readings and personal experience have led me to this conclusion, but my favorite book on the subject is Raymond & Lorna Coppinger’s Dogs: A Startling New Understanding of Canine Origin, Behavior & Evolution.

Scavengers, by nature, are adept at thriving off of very poor nutrition sources and a wide range of foodstuffs. Many people try to mimic a carnivore diet for their domestic dogs, but I think this may be misguided—there is much evidence to suggest that dogs have an evolutionary history of, and show mostly physical traits of a scavenger, not a carnivore. So, a wolf’s nearly pure-protein diet may actually not be what dogs are designed by nature to eat. On the contrary, feral dogs do quite well in South America, Africa and even here in the U.S., living off of and in garbage dumps.

I believe this reality can give us comfort that we almost can’t go wrong, from a nutritional standpoint, in feeding dogs. Just about anything we offer them should be better than a scavenger’s native diet, which is literally trash! But, of course, we don’t want our pets to merely survive, we’d rather they live optimally. I feel that the most important way to ensure that each individual gets what his unique body needs is variety, high quality, highly digestible, and natural food. So, that’s what I shoot for when feeding my dogs.

It may be important to distinguish between “leftovers” and “table scraps.” The former, I would define as food that I would normally eat, so is fit for human consumption. I eat a reasonably healthy diet, so anything that’s left over from my table is probably pretty good for the dogs, too. Though, I do feel that dogs can tolerate a much higher bacteria load than humans can, their stomach is much more acidic, and their digestive tract much quicker to do its work. So I would be comfortable feeding my to dogs food which I may consider a day or two too old for my own touchy human digestive system!

Table scraps, on the other hand, I would define as the byproducts of the household kitchen that are considered not fit for human consumption- loads of grease, fat, trimmings, spoiled vegetables, or other raw materials that we reject during our food preparation process. This definition, I think, is what veterinarians have tried to preach for decades, that “table scraps” are not too good for dogs. If you absolutely wouldn’t eat it on your hungriest day, why would you give it to the dog?

Yet, I would suggest that most commercial dog food is made from just that—byproducts of the human food chain. That’s what makes it affordable, despite all the industry that goes into processing, packaging, shipping and marketing it! How else can you buy such materials for a few dollars per pound, dry weight, unless it is truly junk?

When you consider how costly decent beef jerky is-about $20/pound at my local butcher- it becomes plain: dehydrating quality fresh ingredients renders a very costly product, by weight. If dog food is only $2/pound dry weight, the vendor must have had to pay pennies per pound for the original ingredients to still make a profit. What, I ask, can you get for pennies per pound, even buying by the ton? Certainly not quality muscle and organ meat! Not even good cereal grains come that cheap!

So, I might assert, if you are paying less than $10 per pound dry weight for your pet food, you might wonder what it was made from that they could sell it to you, at a profit, for so little. And even if you are paying that much, it would be hard to know if the ingredients warrant that, or if the manufacturer just has you fooled, and they are making a vast profit off the same waste everyone else is marketing. But, since we know dogs are evolved to survive on garbage, it’s no wonder that many dogs manage to do alright on re-marketed byproducts on the store shelf. I think that traditional commercial pet food is the ultimate testament to how thrifty the domestic dog really is.

The other thing that I think needs differentiation is: fat. Because we humans are particularly vulnerable to getting fat from eating fat, we tend to assume the same is true for dogs. And, veterinarians report seeing cases of pancreatitis in dogs whose well-meaning owners top off every pet meal with a big dollop of cooked grease from the kitchen.

Yet, from what I’ve read, dogs metabolize fat into energy much more successfully than humans, so they actually can handle, and do well on, a fairly high-fat diet. And, I think the key is that most of the fat should be in its native form- either raw animal fat from healthy animals, or vegetable oil- not kitchen grease. I actually seek out higher fat meat for my dogs, and add oil to every meal. I believe this keeps their skin and coat vital, which is critical to overall health.

My mother remembers in her childhood, commercial dog food was just becoming popular, but her family couldn’t afford it. They always fed their family dog “extras” from the kitchen, and he was in optimal health and lived a long life, even after having recovered from contracting distemper as a pup! My now-deceased great uncle also recalled to me that in the “olden days” they used to home-prepare all of the food for their kennel of home-bred hunting dogs, and were very successful with this. I have also read many writings from dog kennel managers in the early 1900’s describing the meals they prepared for their show dogs—all homemade from locally available ingredients!

Commercial dog food has only been “on the scene” since about the Fifties, and only ever became wildly popular here in the U.S.And, we can hardly claim that dogs nowadays in our country are healthier on their commercial diets- quite the contrary. More dogs exhibit signs of disease than ever- allergies, dental disease, behavior problems, etc. Ian Billinghurst, in his book Give Your Dog a Bone, asserts that the U.S. has much more incidence of chronic canine disease than in Australia, where commercial pet food never really caught on.Not only is most commercial food made from poor ingredients, it is over-processed, with too many chemical preservatives and non-digestible vitamins added at the end of manufacture. And, most foods contain the same 10-20 basic ingredients, there is little variety. I just can’t see how this is an optimal way to feed anything, as compared to using a range of dozens of fresh, whole-food ingredients.

So, it seems, what comes around goes around, and many people are returning to just making their own dog food and seeing how well dogs do on basic food: meat, vegetables, grain. I think that pet food manufacturers have done an excellent job of marketing the idea that we’re incapable of making balanced meals for our dogs. Even most veterinarians seem to buy this logic (though, it’s possible this happens because dog food companies often fund or provide professors to teach nutrition in veterinary colleges- a sad conflict-of-interest situation).

If you fear this same fear, I would pose this question: do you feel qualified to raise and nourish a human child? How do you know he gets enough niacin each day? Vitamin C? What form of Vitamin C? What is the calcium-to-phosphorous ratio in his meals? What is the ratio of meat-to-grain, grain-to-vegetable in his meals? If a company advertised to you that they had created a one-a-day brick of food that was the most complete-and-balanced meal you could offer your child, would you buy it? Would you believe it? Of course that’s ridiculous; we know that as long as you provide your child a wide variety of quality whole foods, he’ll do fine! And that some processed lump of conglomerate ingredients and chemically-derived nutrients, with no day-to-day variety, would be a poor choice for you baby. Now, why would your dog, another omnivore, be any more complicated than your own kids?

Attention: SPIRIT DOG An Unfounded Slanderer!!-Update 7/10/08

UPDATE: 7/10/08 Spirit Dog and I seem to have settled into an amicable state these days…lol.. and despite our differences I would much prefer his up front honest personality to other choices !!!

What can I say he’s a man!!!!!

This is my first encounter with acute ignorance and I am absolutely furious.I have posted a remedy on my site that I found on a site ‘Casa Del Toro‘ this remedy for Parvo saved my dog’s life over a year ago. I have his link posted to try and help others through an absolutely devastating experience!! I have no hidden agenda or ulterior motive in fact my entire site is in existence in order to help and educate dog owners.

I absolutely will not tolerate unfounded slander of another site!!!this is a practice that could cause the site owner to be hacked and other wised harmed by such a vicious accusation.

The breed Specific Legislation was formed because of exactly the same sort of ignorance.

I am unbelievably angry I am being accused by this ‘Spirit Dog’of posting a link to a site that sells and breeds fighting dogs!!! I am hereby renaming ‘Spirit Dog’ THE VILLAGE IDIOT!!!!!

Below is a copy of the post I am rambling on and on about. I was merely making a comment on his post about socializing animals (I was in agreement!!) and BAMMMM……!!!! Ignorance reared it’s ugly head!

Clasidog, on July 1st, 2008 at 11:09 am Said:

Socialization of our dogs is one of the most important factors that must be taught…so many do not realize that when they put their dog away in another room to prevent it from jumping or licking their guests, they are alienating and teaching mistrust to t.their pet.

thespiritdog, on July 1st, 2008 at 1:22 pm Said:

It’s probably best if we don’t use human terminologies, when describing canine behaviors.
A dog is not going to be laying in the other room, thinking, ” How dare they put me in here”.

If every person that came into our house, was comfortable with dogs.We wouldn’t have to many problems.
But that is not the case. A lot of folks are not comfortable around dogs.
So we remove our dog, from a situation that can turn out bad ,for both guest and dog.

On the subject of parvo. The site you have a link for, does have good information on treatments. 99% of the good dog owners, are not going to follow that protocol.

Veterinarians, have a hard enough time, getting their clients to administer the simplest of treatments. Never the less, round the clock treatments.

And to have a link to a site that breeds and sells fighting dogs, is just not a good idea.

Clasidog, on July 1st, 2008 at 3:49 pm Said:

I am absolutely mystified as to why you seem to think this site breeds fighting animals!! There is absolutely nothing of the sort anywhere in their site that would even hint at that factor!!
The site owner is obviously a ‘good ole boy’ I agree, but that does not mean he fights dogs!! He has working dogs he raises cattle, he even advises that pups be introduced to other dogs at an early age to prevent dog aggression. I am wondering if it is his ‘breed’ that makes you think this…I have a pit bull, by the way!!
It is this kind of thinking and jumping to conclusions that has brought the Breed Specific Legislation into our lives and destroyed the ‘lives’ of many dogs!!!
As far as 99% of good dog owners I cannot count how many stories I have heard of pups dying due to Parvo, their owners not having the money to afford the vet treatments or the knowledge to treat themselves. Or better yet, of Vets saying there is no cure..there is nothing that can be done!!

“99% of the good dog owners, are not going to follow that protocol”- spiritdog

That statement in itself is utterly ridiculous not to mention contradictory – a ‘good’ dog owner will have no problem following protocol, never mind staying up around the clock in order to save their dog’s life!!
Why don’t you take a poll….and see how many people would be more than willing to do whatever it takes to save their dog!!!…….Lets see if you even have the balls to print this comment!!!

Here’s some free publicity for ‘The Village Idiot’ and a link to the site…lets see how this unfolds and if he /she has the guts to retaliate!!

Hey Spirit Dog here is your very own avatar!!!!